How do I accept/refund hire bonds?

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peter_7376267
peter_7376267 Member Posts: 3
edited March 2017 in Reckon One
I'm trying to set up a small hire business using Reckon One and can't work out how to deal with customer deposits/refunds.

I have created an item for "hire bond" which I can add to an invoice when they pay me before taking the item. This links to a current liability account.

But I can't work out what to do when the hire ends if everything hasn't worked perfectly. In the hire I'm trying to enter now they underpaid me $40 for the hire at the start so I need to give them back their bond less $40. I have no idea how to do that!

I can create a "customer adjustment note" to return the bond but I cannot see how to use the bond amount to "pay" the missing hire fee.

Is it possible to do what I want?

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  • Steve_6906920
    Steve_6906920 Member Posts: 11
    edited February 2015
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    Hi Peter dont know if this is any help but in our business we quite often take deposits for special orders we have found that the easy way to record them is to open an account then pay the deposit to that account as a payment leaving it in credit untill the goods are recieved then the customer pays the rest of the balance and we pay it off the account Hope this helps !!
  • Qwerty
    Qwerty Member Posts: 261
    edited March 2017
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    Hi Peter,

    I'm just thinking out load on this one & welcome anyone else to provide alternative feedback to what I have suggested. 

    Also I am not sure if I have interpreted your scenario correctly however have a look & see if it helps. If i haven't interpreted the scenario correctly can you please provide some extra information. 

     

    Say I have two service items setup:

    Hire bond which has a rate of $100

    Equipment hire which has a rate of $40

     

    A customer comes in & wishes to hire some equipment.

     

    In Reckon One, create an invoice for this customer using both service items. The outstanding invoice total is $140.

     

    The customer pays $100 for the "Hire bond" upfront. 

     

    In Reckon One receive a $100 payment against the invoice. The outstanding invoice total is now $40.

     

    The customer now leaves with the hire equipment.

     

    The customer later returns with the hire equipment, however, the equipment was faulty through no fault of their own. The customer wants their $100 "Hire bond" refunded and is exempt from paying the $40 "Equipment hire" fee.

     

    In Reckon One, create a customer adjustment note using the "Hire bond" item. The customer adjustment note total is $100. Issue the customer adjustment refund of $100.

     

    This leaves the part of how to handle the outstanding $40 invoice amount relating to the "Equipment hire" fee. Seeing that this fee was not actually charged (e.g. you didn't receive any income for it), you could either:

    * update the applicable invoice, edit the applicable invoice line, overriding the item price/rate from $40 to $0.

    * update the applicable invoice, edit the applicable invoice line by adding a $40 discount to the line, making the line amount/total $0

    * update the applicable invoice, remove the applicable invoice line altogether 

    I'd probably suggest that you add a note or a memo line to the invoice stating that the $40 equipment hire fee was waived for reference purposes.

     

    Note: When an open invoice has payments linked, the invoice is read only. In order to modify this open invoice, you first need to unlink the existing payment(s), then make your required changes, then re-link the existing payment(s) again & save your changes.

    To unlink a payment, view the invoice & click the “Already paid” amount to see the unlink option.

    To re-link a payment that you have previously unlinked, view the invoice & click “Receive payment” option. The “Receive payment” window will show you any credits available & an option “Apply this credit”.


    Each of the three options listed above will reduce the overall invoice total from $140 to $100. Making the invoice finalised/paid seeing that you have already received/recorded the $100 payment.


    The customer leaves. They got their $100 refund. You now have a paid invoice for $100 & a closed customer adjustment note for $100.


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    If you want to see an example of how to unlink & re-link payments for an invoice then please refer to the community post below for more information.

    https://community.reckon.com/reckon/topics/wrong-date-paid-invoice

  • peter_7376267
    peter_7376267 Member Posts: 3
    edited February 2015
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    Thanks for the suggestions. I hadn't been able to try anything for a week but have been playing with things this morning.

    I can sort of see how to do it - it user interface is hard to find my way around as some things are quite well hidden (eg refunding a customer, applying a credit note to an invoice).

    I created a "hire bond" item (GST free, current liability account) for $1000. I "sold" it to a customer on one invoice along with the hire charges (GST charged, income account) totaling $790 - invoice total $1790. They paid $500 then $1250 into the bank account (ie $40 short). I then refunded the $1000 bond on an adjustment note, applied $40 of the CAN to the outstanding invoice and refunded the rest ($960).

    The bank account currently has $790 in it (as expected). However for some reason the balance sheet is showing that I have a liability of $17.65 in the hire bond account and the GST owing is $70.22 instead of $71.81 (1/11 of $790 - the hire fee).

    I have no idea why it has done this. I know it's wrong but have no idea where it is getting those figures from.

    ---- update ----

    Ok, worked it out - I had the accounting set to a cash basis instead of accrual. I don't know enough about accounting to know if the above calcs are correct or not but they definitely aren't what I was expecting to see. I think the problem happened because they didn't pay the full initial invoice.

    Interestingly you can do the accounts on a cash/accrual basis but the reports on a different basis which is confusing - I changed the accounting basis to accrual but it kept running the reports on a cash basis. I think when it changes the accounting basis it should either automatically change the reporting type or at least prompt you that it needs to be changed.

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    I can see the product has promise but at the moment I don't think it is worth the money. Mobile invoicing would be nice but I can live without it. I'd find that easier to live without than the cryptic user interface.