STP and Allowances

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NarellePaterson
NarellePaterson Member Posts: 111 ✭✭
edited September 2019 in Reckon Accounts (Desktop)
I Haven't started STP yet I am just trying to make sure I have all pay and allowances correct can anyone tell me what allowances need to be reported seperatly ? I currently pay a tool allowance and on occasion a leading hand allowance but I am not sure if they should be shown how do I do all this in Reckon Permier?

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  • Neil_6428218
    Neil_6428218 Reckon Staff Posts: 88 Reckon Staff
    edited August 2019
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    Hi Narelle,

    In last years release we introduced the below Tax Tracking Types to cover the reporting of Allowances via STP

    Allowances – Car
    Allowances – Transport
    Allowances - Laundry
    Allowances - Meals
    Allowances - Travel
    Allowances – Other


    The below Help File goes through setting up the file for STP (including setting up the allowances).

    https://help.reckon.com/ID2036258

  • NarellePaterson
    NarellePaterson Member Posts: 111 ✭✭
    edited May 2019
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    Yes I have seen this but I currently pay a Tool allowance and I am not sure how this should be set up? In allowance - other or should it not be included in allowances at all?
  • Neil_6428218
    Neil_6428218 Reckon Staff Posts: 88 Reckon Staff
    edited August 2019
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    Hi Narelle, 

    You would use Allowances - Other

    Heres an ATO article regarding allowances and where they should be reported in STP (and Payment Summaries):
    https://www.ato.gov.au/Business/PAYG-withholding/Payments-you-need-to-withhold-from/Payments-to-employees/Allowances-and-reimbursements/Withholding-for-allowances/
  • Bill_10201512
    Bill_10201512 Member Posts: 5 ✭
    edited August 2019
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    Hi Neil,

    When using Allowances other, and it is for a tool allowance, do i mark it as tax free, gross payment or additional payment?

    As a tool allowance, it should be included for PAYG(W) but not included as a gross payment. how does reckon treat it at the moment if i mark it as tax free? i thought by marking it as gross payment it would increase the gross income, which if i am reading the ato guideance correctly i shouldn't include it.

    it would be helpful if i was able to see the STP field "Other PAYEVNTEMP8" so i konw it is being recorded correctly.

    thanks bill
  • Neil_6428218
    Neil_6428218 Reckon Staff Posts: 88 Reckon Staff
    edited August 2019
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    Hi Bill, 

    It sounds like you're using Reckon One, I don't work on Reckon One myself, but from what the team just told me:

    The Tax Applicable field will determine whether the Allowance is included in PAYG Calculations or not (by selecting either Gross Payments or Tax Free). 

    The Show as Allowance on Payment Summary option determines whether the Allowance is reported as part of the Gross or as an Allowance via STP.


    So it seems you need to select Gross Payments so that PAYG is calculated and also tick the option so it reports as an Allowance.
  • Bill_10201512
    Bill_10201512 Member Posts: 5 ✭
    edited August 2019
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    This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled STP & tax treatment of tool allowance. Hi,

    Im having trouble applying the ATO guidance on tool allowances.

    A tool allowance should not form part of the gross income, but should have tax withheld. Reckon does not seem to have an option for this. it only has the tax free, gross payment or additional payments (which the question mark link to 'schedule 5' is broken).

    none of these options seem to fit the bill for a deductible allowance.

    When using Allowances other, and it is for a tool allowance, do i mark it as tax free, gross payment or additional payment?

    please help!

    it would also be helpful if i was able to select the STP field "Other PAYEVNTEMP8" so i konw it is being recorded correctly to the ATO.

    thanks bill
  • NarellePaterson
    NarellePaterson Member Posts: 111 ✭✭
    edited September 2019
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    I am pretty sure my tool allowance forms part of the gross...not sure if it is supposed to or not I also gave up trying to figure out if  SGL should be paid on it so I think
    I just pay it on all just in case...such generous boss I am
  • NarellePaterson
    NarellePaterson Member Posts: 111 ✭✭
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    After going through all this setting up for STP previously I have now noticed that our award MA000025 states that tool , industry & licence allowances are included in hourly rates of pay (which means I have been paying tool allowance on top of hourly rate) and should be included when working out penalty and overtime and on ATO it does say allowances that have been folded into normal wages are not treated seperately for Withholding so does this mean I DO NOT have to record them as seperate allowances. Can anyone help I have contacted fairwork, ATO several times and accountants and am not sure that anyone has convincingly answered my question . Can anyone help or has anyone come across this . It seems the Award says one thing and ATO wants something else. Help !!! I want to get this right.

  • Acctd4
    Acctd4 Accredited Partner Posts: 3,406 Reckon Accounts Hosted Expert Reckon Accounts Hosted Expert
    edited September 2021
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    If that’s what the award states then that’s what you go by. It means the amounts for these allowances don’t need to be shown separately (eg as “Allowances”) ☺️

    Your other option - if you DO want to show them as separate components (eg including the separate “Allowances”) - is to breakdown the total amounts accordingly as per the relevant Award rates:

    eg, either:


    Hourly Pay $30

    OR

    Hourly Pay $20

    Allowance 1 $5

    Allowance 2 $5


    (Note the above amounts are for a simplified example only - You would need to determine the correct figures as per the relevant Award)

    Shaz Hughes Dip(Fin) ACQ NSW, MICB

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  • NarellePaterson
    NarellePaterson Member Posts: 111 ✭✭
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    I think its easier to just include them in pay rate because if you show them seperatly but need to include for overtime figures some fancy calculations need to be made and it does look a little odd and hard to understand on the payslips It can be done but not ideal ...for me at least. I was just worried that ATO wanted them to be seperate but they really couldn't tell me decisively either way.

  • Acctd4
    Acctd4 Accredited Partner Posts: 3,406 Reckon Accounts Hosted Expert Reckon Accounts Hosted Expert
    edited September 2021
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    The ATO couldn’t help because they don’t govern Employer Payroll setup - It’s the Award under either Fair Work (for Pty Ltds) or your State Government legislation (for sole traders, partnerships & trusts) that applies ☺️

    Shaz Hughes Dip(Fin) ACQ NSW, MICB

    *** Reckon Accredited Partner (AP) Bookkeeper - specialising EXCLUSIVELY in Reckon Accounts / Hosted ! ***

    * Regd BAS Agent (No: 92314 015)* ICB-Certified Bookkeeper* Snr Seasonal Tax Consultant since 2003 *

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  • NarellePaterson
    NarellePaterson Member Posts: 111 ✭✭
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    Fairwork tell you to talk to ATO and ATO tell you to talk to Fairwork so I have given up.

  • Acctd4
    Acctd4 Accredited Partner Posts: 3,406 Reckon Accounts Hosted Expert Reckon Accounts Hosted Expert
    edited September 2021
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    I think Fair Work are a little cautious these days, due to STP (because STP IS an ATO requirement)

    With both, it also depends who you speak to - some staff are more knowledgeable about the specifics than others! 🤦🏻‍♀️

    Shaz Hughes Dip(Fin) ACQ NSW, MICB

    *** Reckon Accredited Partner (AP) Bookkeeper - specialising EXCLUSIVELY in Reckon Accounts / Hosted ! ***

    * Regd BAS Agent (No: 92314 015)* ICB-Certified Bookkeeper* Snr Seasonal Tax Consultant since 2003 *

    Accounted 4 Bookkeeping Services

    Ballajura, WA

    shaz@accounted4.com.au

    https://accounted4.com.au

    (NB: Please give my post a Like or mark as Accepted Answer if I have been able to resolve your query as this helps others when seeking solutions!)
  • NarellePaterson
    NarellePaterson Member Posts: 111 ✭✭
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    Yes well you can't say I didn't try I have contacted both several times hoping to get someone with a definitive answer.

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